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January 05, 2009

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Gib Wallis

Very interesting thoughts.

I'm of course refreshing the pages for the California Supreme Court and for Lambda Legal regularly to see the filings whenever they become available.

With the numbers game you just mentioned, which argument do you think will fare better with the 4? The Attorney General's argument or the angels against 8?

Do you think 3 of the four will go on the basis of revision and Justice Kennard will go for the fundamental right? In other words, do you think Brown's push for a different rationale may be a strategy to enable the lone member of the 4 who didn't want to hear the case to engage with it once again?

Mad Professah

I personally think that they will uphold the 18,000 marriages and uphold Prop 8 as an amendment but then say it is an invalid amendment to repeal a fundamental right granted by the courts, separating it from Oregon's situation and not disrupting their previous jurisprudence in amendment/revision cases (all 6 of them!)

Nan Hunter

Both of the above comments offer smart, entirely plausible predictions. I have no idea how this case will turn out. I think the challengers' brief does an excellent job of utilizing the AG's position to their advantage. But it's a genuinely tough question intellectually and a huge lift politically. At oral argument, I'm going to be watching Justice Kennard. If she doesn't seem willing to bite at the AG's theory - and since it's likely (although not absolutely certain) that she finds the revision argument quite underwhelming - then there's not much hope for 4 votes on any theory for overturning Prop 8.

Dana Chilton

I've been following this case nearly every day since December. I've read both cases and every amicus brief. I firmly believe that the court will invalidate prop 8. I also believe that it will be by a larger than 4-3 majority. Here's why: The issue is no longer same-sex marriage. Even justices who disagreed with the original "Marriage Cases" accept that the majority opinion became constitutional law. The issue now is equal protection and the scope of the power of the initiative process. Conservative jurists will likely uphold equal protection even if they would not have previously held same-sex marriage to be a constitutionally protected civil right. Also, The Attorney General has immense sway with the court. His unprecedented move to ask the court to invalidate prop 8 may convince even more conservative justices. The State, though the AG has deemed Prop 8 unconstitutional. To uphold prop 8, the court would have to ignore its own precedent in "Marriage Cases", the will of the State, The legislature (which is set to pass a resolution officially declaring prop 8 an unconstitutional revision), and the voices of civil rights leaders, religious organizations, and bar associations. I cannot see this court doing that, nor allowing the evisceration of our equal protection clause by a bare majority of voters.

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